Category talk:Ancient Species

Can thie category for "Ancient Species" be changed to species that are a million years or older rather than a billion years or older? I think a million years should suffice to be considered as an ancient species. If the category should remain a billion years, then it needs to be cleaned up. There are quite a number of alien species in this category which are not a billion years old. Species which sources (comics, movies, etc) specifically show them as having been around millions of years not a billion years and in at least one case there is no source stating that they have been around for a million years much less a billion years (only as far back as humanity, which is in the 100s of thousands of years).

Esparza3368 (talk) 16:03, June 29, 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, a million years is ancient from our perspective, but from a cosmic perspective, it's not. There are plenty of species in media which are truly billions of years old, so the category, in my opinion, is valid. I see no reason to change its criteria to match its recurring misuse. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 12:40, June 30, 2019 (UTC)

New proposal
In spite of what I said earlier (see above), I thought better about this and I'd like to propose that this category be divided into three different ones: What do you guys think? -- BlueFrackle (talk) 18:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Preanthropic Species: Those which predate the development of human civilization.
 * Precambrian Species: Those which predate the development of complex life on Earth.
 * Prehadean Species: Those which predate the formation of the solar system and are older than Earth itself.


 * It's been a while since I've contributed to this wiki, but I would say yes, those categories would work out better. For one in sci-fi (Star Trek, Babylon 5, etc), races that are millions of years old are considered ancient and in some franchises even those that are tens or hundreds of thousands of years old are likewise considered ancient. Second, I noticed that there are number of species in the "Ancient Species" who are not actually a billion years or older, such as the Mi-Go who in per Lovecraft and non-Lovecraft sources are 100s of millions old. Esparza3368 (talk)


 * These categories are good. The Mesozoic era needs special mention for its popularity. There's also a need for categories describing creatures from the future.

King Kravoka (talk)
 * '''Postanthropocene Species: Those whose natural evolution is a consequence of human activity.
 * '''Poststelliferous Species: Those from after the death of most stars.


 * On the other hand you can just keep it as it is and modify the the description so rather than saying that it includes only species that are a billion years old, it includes species that are a million years old or a hundred thousand years old. Personally I think the minimum should be a million years old. Creating too many categories might be confusing and we also wouldn't want more work for administration, you already have quite a bit to do. Esparza3368 (talk)


 * Alright, for the moment I've changed the description. I do think some new categories could be interesting, though, and I like Kravoka's suggestions for the Mesozoic and the future eras. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 23:17, 18 January 2021 (UTC)