Talk:Saiyan

Quality Control: Should the sections about Super Saiyan 4 and 5 be allowed? Super Saiyan 4 is considered non-canon and Super Saiyan 5 is fan-related internet rumor material. Neither of these forms appear in series canon and are not endorsed by the series' creator. ChildofValhalla 20:06, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * SSj4, definitely. Canonocity doesn't really matter, as the purpose of the wiki is to simply catalog all species to ever appear in all forms of media; however, if you want to mention it as being a non-canon form in the article certainly be our guest. That being said, fan material generally isn't allowed here (we have a sister site for that) - the exception to that rule is if it is or at one time was considered highly popular. If I recall right, wasn't there a massive rumor about SSj5 being real? If the rumor really was big, it should probably be worth a mention simply for rumor control - other "fan" created stuff that are really popular such as Snaiad material, Nauceans and Protosagania from Sagan IV (although very few other Saganites given the sheer immensity of the project) are also allowed here due to popularity. However, if it wasn't actually a huge rumor as I seem to be recalling it to be, then it probably belongs on our sister site, the Alien Fanon Wiki. It's been about ten years since I've paid much attention to the Dragon Ball saga, so my memory of the rumor may be a little bit hazy. -- Somarinoa 20:32, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Did you know that Akira Toriyama never used ssj4 in his original series but still designed it? At least that's what I read. Ssj4shadowsaiyajin (talk) 20:58, May 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * Toribot actually didn't have a hand in Super Saiyan 4 (it was actually Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru of Toei who designed the form); however, he has gone on record as saying he wished he had thought of it, which makes it equally as cool (although I cannot remember where evidence of this on line). He has actually done fan art of SSj4 Goku before, and it is awesome.  That being said however, Toriyama did invent an imaginary form when Goku was going SSj3 that resembles the SSj4.  -- Somarinoa (talk) 04:14, May 17, 2014 (UTC)