User talk:BlueFrackle

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Alien Species! Thanks for your edit to the File:Acklay.jpg page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Eulalia459678 (Talk) 03:43, May 24, 2009

thanks for prettying up the pages i worked on...i'm still new to the wiki business. -- User:Dyga19

Sagan IV
Wait...you know about Sagan IV? Are you a member of it? Because I'm a moderator to the site; in fact, I am the one who wrote the description to Mason. - Somarinoa 20:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

admin
I would like to become admin if i do i will give you bureacratic rights

thanks for the support
Owen1983 02:48, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Superinteressante Universe
Would you happen to have any more information on the creatures from that article? The two on this wiki are pretty interesting. Dyga19 06:29, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Followup
Hell, if you can provide the pictures and the info, I can write the articles myself. :) Dyga19 05:47, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Main page
I main page looks great thanks for the work Owen1983 15:56, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Wondering
Have you heard from Somarinoa Owen1983 12:47, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

the images are great
thankyou for taking the tim to upload them Owen1983 16:46, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

the NACW
I have read this article two and I would like to get everyones opinion on this IMHO its something we should look arOwen1983 19:23, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mudpod
So i herd u liek mudpodz?

Blue Frackel has practically DOMINATED alien species wiki. So has Meter. You guys have to go to Crocodillian. It's like, the best page on this website! Click here to go there.

Bluefrackle is a senior editor and an acting Bureaucrat and IMNO an experienced member of ASW same goes for meter I trust these users --Owen1983 11:41, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, thank you guys, it is kind of hard to be such an active user here and still have a social life and hobbies, lol! Fortunately, I manage to do it by dedicating my online time ONLY to this wiki, at the expense of my poor abandoned blog, facebook and other stuff. About the Crocodillian, it is a great article, thanks for pointing it! By the way, have you seen this? I've just found it while searching the net, it is a croc Xenomorph from a Batman vs. Aliens comic, we should totally add a page for it here :) BlueFrackle 14:29, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Humanoid
I restored it in my opinion its a great article I am glad I saved it --Owen1983 13:13, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

User Rights
I have been aware of inconsistencies with staff so in order to alleviate this problem i have created the above page this will insure the ASPF has suitable personnel --Owen1983 02:03, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

your suggestions
I like what you have done blue --Owen1983 17:34, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

space jockey
thanks for cleaning it up yesterday there was a spate of IP vandalism after I blocked the anon i had to clean up I must have overlooked this --Owen1983 21:12, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem! BlueFrackle 14:45, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

editing conventions
hey BlueFrackle, sorry it took me so long to reply to your message; i haven't been on ASW in a bit. i think the editing conventions cover most if not all the bases: what articles should be added, what they should include, and what categories they should fall under, etc. you and Owen did a nice job on them! ill let you know if i think of anything else that might be useful. all the best. Dyga19 02:50, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Revisions.
Hi! I'm Nexus11, if you didn't already know me. I was looking over some pages and do not deem them up to code. Do I have permission to revise and/or rewrite these articles? Thanks! Nexus11 03:50, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I have created many pages already and I am planning to create many more. Firstly, I will fill out the metroid universe. Thank you for welcoming me! Nexus11 21:33, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Largest Alien
Hey Blue, i still confusing about the largest alien. Is "Large alien hand" is bigger then Yog-Sothoth?

User Rights.
Man I nominate myself for rollback rights? Is there another process I have to go through first? Thank you. Nexus11 16:24, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, you're a very reliable person. Nexus11 00:08, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Patrolling.
Do we actually have a system for that? Or is it based completely on word. Because if it turns out it is the latter, I can initiate a policy. The policy would have to be checked by the admins, of course, but it would be largely based off of the wikitroid (an extremely successful wiki) policy. Nexus11 02:11, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

ACKKK! I've been inactive, I am SO sorry. The worst part about it is I won't even be active this next week. I've been so busy with school. I am really, really, sorry. I promise I'll come back NEXT week though. Once again, I am SO sorry. Nexus11 02:39, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Old Galactic
What is Old Galactic? -Yoggie 20:48, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I have very sad news. I have been accused of sockpuppeting by an idiotic user, and although I haven't been the most active user here, at least you can agree that I wasn't a bad person right? I'm going to bring my case before wikia staff. Hopefully I'll win, but I don't know for sure. In the case that I don't, please remember me as a good person? Thanks. Nexus11: Because pure dominance isn't enough 02:53, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Game
Hey blue, i have seen the Lost Planet 2 game walkthrough and it's quiet epic. I've been thinking how bout if this alien species wiki have a game that contain all alien or every species in this wiki as an NPC and we're gonna fight them with Lost Planet ways. Do you have any connections with game producer?If you're appreciated my idea let us chat together. Thanks - Yoggie 7:26 2nd of March 2011

Award.
It is my honor to award you the ASW: Gold star award. You have been a valuable contributer and have a very large amount of edits on this wiki. If you would like, you can post the award on your user page. Nexus12: Because pure dominance isn't enough {PATROLLER} 17:12, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks man, I'm honored to receive this! It's gold and everything, ha! BlueFrackle 20:43, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well you can thank Owen for the design, he's the real mastermind behind the whole awards system! :) Nexus12: Because pure dominance isn't enough {PATROLLER} 15:44, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
thanks for cleaning it up.--Owen1983 13:38, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, can you do me a favor? When you get around to it, it would be great to have your opinion on the amendment I just suggested here thanks! Nexus12: Because pure dominance isn't enough {ENSIGN} 21:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

I would support you 100% for admin rights. You deserve them. I am honestly surprised that you're not an admin! Go ahead and nominate yourself! I'm behind you all of the way! Nexus12: Because pure dominance isn't enough {ADMIN} 21:39, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you can still call me Nexus. I'm thinking of changing my name anyway. But yeah, good luck with the RfA! Already voted before you even sent me the message XD Insurgence: Like the Phoenix I rise again! 20:55, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

Admin
Y really like the high quality of your edits, plus you dedication to this wiki is remarkable You would make a great admin.---Owen1983 00:44, May 28, 2011 (UTC) 'm going to close the amendment posed in Policy Decisions as successfully passed and amend the current policy. If you have anything more to say about it, please do so. Insurgence: Like the Phoenix I rise again! 01:19, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Logo
Thats perfect. Now all we need is an admin to add it through the theme designer. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs} 15:26, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

New Loho
The site has a new logo that you designed. Good work--Owen1983 13:17, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations
on you promotion to the rank of captain (Admin). its a position that you deserve and we feel you will serve us well in--Owen1983 14:55, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Handing you the keys to the city
BlueFrackle, for your dedication and service to our cause, I hereby grant you the powers and responsibilities of a member of the Alien Species Protection Force. You should now have full protective (see: administrative) abilities, as well as a fully-functional Rollback-class time fluctuation device. May you fight well against the forces that would undo everything. -- Somarinoa 02:59, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Rules and Policies
we would be grateful if you would help us out I have expanded the rules but giving a guess a lot more needs to be done If you have any more ideas I will be happy. - --Owen1983 16:04, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'm gonna kick off our little "Policy editors group" thing on a forum on this wiki. That way, anyone can come suggest and improve upon ideas. See ya there! Insurgence: Like the Phoenix I rise again! 22:49, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Multiverses wiki
Hey BlueFrackle. You may or may not be familiar with User:Pinguinus, but he has asked me if his wiki, Multiverses wiki, could become a sister wiki of ASW. You could almost think of it as another Alien Fanon Wiki, but unlike Alien Fanon Wiki, it is beginning to show more and more activity. I support him, but I certainly cannot make a decision on my own. I'm sending this messagee to all current members of the ASPF and hope that each of you can get back to me as quickly as possible. Thanks, Insurgence: Like the Phoenix I rise again! 20:59, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

The Contest
You can add a photo if you want, but its not a requirement. The same goes for the other details such as culture and psychology. Bear in mind, however, that the more information you add, the better. I for one would love to see a lot of information, but if that's not entirely possible, so be it. Pinguinus 01:55, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

I've started an RfC for Multiverses. After Pinguinus has answered the questions, please vote. Thanks, Insurgence: Like the Phoenix I rise again! 18:09, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Wikia editor
I am beginning a trail of the new editor as its in beta the wiki will be on it for 24hrs this f we have any issues we can revert back to the new look. --Owen1983 21:46, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Klingon revision
It's a word-for-word copy from Memory Alpha as Mario pointed out. The article was not written by our hand, thus revision in this case meaning, we need to re-write it in our own words. Not that we necessarily have too, but this little schism with the K-2L article may have me suggesting something painful on Forum:Policy :/ Insurgence: Like the Phoenix I rise again! 02:58, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

First off, congratulations on the contest! As for the Klingon article, I wasn't aware that you had changed it. See, the links that I clicked were links to MA, so I thought the whole article was copy-pasted. I can change the wording in the template a bit because plagiarism is a bit harsh, I'll admit. I was just looking for a term and it suited my needs at the time. Anyway, I'll redo the Klingon links and take the template off. Right after I speak to Mario. This won't be fun. -_- Insurgence: Like the Phoenix I rise again! 15:18, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

The not fun part was talking to Mario, actually. :P And I'm working on the page in another window. The reason I'm fixing links is, their all broken. Insurgence: Like the Phoenix I rise again! 16:29, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations, BlueFrackle! Your Tahawe won the Design an Alien Contest. Thank you for entering these wonderful creatures. If you wish, feel free to stop by at Multiverses and create your own planet. We'd love to have you there!

Again, congratulations! Pinguinus 03:24, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

congratulations on winning --Owen1983 15:28, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I had a couple of questions about the Tahawe. One, do they actually colonize other planets? Second, everybody is writing fiction over on Multiverses. Can I include the Tahawe in mine? Pinguinus 15:47, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for the info! I'll send you a link to any fiction I write involving them. Pinguinus 11:05, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

OK! Thanks for answering my question, I don't mind if it came a bit later than I intended. Now, another question: would a Tahawe fight if there was no other choice? Pinguinus 23:30, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Design An Alien Contest
Just so you know, the Design an Alien Contest is operational again. Here's the link, in case you want to submit something: User blog:Pinguinus/Design an alien contest Pinguinus impennis 12:25, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Block of "The Joke Master".
I have blocked User:The Joke Master for trolling. daNASCAT has intervened on another wiki, stating The Joke Master (previously User:Ghostytreat) is unfit for wiki work. Pending the review of the other admins, I will also be removing his RfA from the User Right's page. Comments and advice for this matter are greatly appreciated, and should be left on my talk page. Thank you, Lord Phoenix   at your service  01:41, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Admin's Council.
Per the above message, leave your comments here. Thanks. Lord Phoenix  at your service  02:05, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

ASW: Notice Board
I got the idea from the GTA wiki and it works well the idea is people can suggest and vote for changes tho ASW can you look it over and tell me what you think ASW: Notice Board --Owen1983 18:55, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Two months of penance
As per the title above I will be taking two months off for a debt to someone. Please watch ASW diligently in my stead. Lord Phoenix  at your service  19:45, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re:More Trouble
Its a new character to sonic x because he will be new to sonic soon and don't threaten to do that or i will have to contact a staff and they'll see your action log and they'll take action about it, They will revoke the other abusive admins and your rights and block you and the others so be nice.Terrific joker 03:48, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Jokemaster
I have read your messege and I also sent him a messege and like you I don't want to see him blocked but if he continues to upset other admins an cause disruption to ASW he is giving us no option and we are near this point to be honest we have been very lenient with him and all he does is carry on trolling. --Owen1983 07:43, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Article Comments
Really the community should be united on things, I will probably make a blog post discussing it as a possible option. As my argument will be heavily biased, I think it falls to you to provide the pros of the article comments as mine will be mostly cons, before a formal RfA is drafted up, if it appears the community is split on the matter. Lord Phoenix  at your service  05:32, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

I am afraid I have to go along with Insurgence he has made a case Biased or not he is intitled to an opinion and article talk pages serve the same function as comments do--Owen1983 18:20, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Another policy amendment?
Just throwing this out there for comment, I was thinking of suggesting another amendment that would put a timeline on ASPF requests. Since right now they just go on forgotten until someone remembers them. Please feel free to add anything, as this is just a rough idea. Lord Phoenix  at your service  01:32, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

I do like your idea of 3 positives for every negative. That would be an efficient way of seeing whether someone passes or fails. Lord Phoenix  at your service  23:16, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Legal?
Hi, this is Dr. Anonymous. I was wondering: would you allow it if I recycled an article from Wikitroid (with their permission, of course) for use on ASW? I mean, as long as I included a disclaimer that said where I got t, I think I'd be OK, but I gotta be sure. User: Dr. Anonymous1 18:22, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's pretty much the case here. Plus, said creature has such lengthy information, to write an original article about it would take all day.

Hey, thanks! I try the best I can. It's always rewarding to get praise from an Admin. User: Dr. Anonymous1 18:47, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the case with the article I'm referring to. I might have to omit some stuff that would be irrelevant here, such as logbook scans and.. Well, I'm assuming you don't do galleries.

Hey, thanks! It's always rewarding to be appreciated by users. Expect more in the next few days! User: Dr. Anonymous1 19:07, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, thanks for adding that picture to the Meekrob page. I would do so myself, but my iPod won't let me do ANYTHING with images. Could you add an image to the Vortian page too?

So, you say that English isn't your first language? I'm actually surprised; it's never shown in your posts and edits. If you don't mind my asking, what IS your first language? Sorry, I'm notorious for my insatiable curiosity, to the point where one admin called me a "nosy little cuss." I don't like him.

Anywho, I intend to make an article for all the species of Invader Zim in the future, but it's gonna be hard. I'll do my best, though. Signing off, User: Dr. Anonymous1 01:59, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, really? Excellent! I see you've also added pictures for the Planet Jackers and created a page for the Abductors. Thanks! And you're right: that WAS a great show. Don't see stuff like that anymore... User: Dr. Anonymous1 20:03, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Dantescifi
While I appreciate all the species he's been adding up (though he's only copy-pasting, which I could have been doing all this time too...but that's alright, I suppose; we really should at least have the articles, right?), his activity has become suspicious to me, and I've been keeping an eye on him. Since he hasn't been adding images to his innumerable Wookieepedia articles that would otherwise possess them, I was taking the liberty of adding a few of them myself when I noticed he created some, but in the process noticing that a number of the pages he has been adding do not exist on Wookieepedia at all. The numbers are becoming staggering and honestly, I severely doubt that the Star Wars community would overlook so many species. The fact that so many of his articles also list them as looking "identical to " is also strange and highly suspect, as what writer of official fiction would do this so often? Wouldn't they simply use the existing races instead of making up some random "identical to another" race? Star Wars has thousands of races, sapient, non-sapient and semi-sapient. I think they could find a race to suit their needs.

The thing that made me truly suspicious however was when I posted up my questioning as to what books these species came from or if they happened to be fanon, Dantescifi  deleted  every instance of me creating talk pages about it, and then refused to respond to his own talk page. That is not a natural reaction unless someone is trying to hide something.

I have come to the conclusion that a large number of his articles are in fact fanon, and he is abusing the wiki for his own monumental achievement gain. I suggest a hearing between the admins to figure out what to do about his actions. In the end, temporarily blocking or even permabanning him does not take too much away from us - I can easily copypasta like 10-50 Wookieepedia articles a day myself; I just prefer to rewrite all the information I come across, which generally takes time per article and usually leads to me adding far fewer articles than I otherwise could be contributing. It should be noted that there is a second Star Wars wiki that I know of - The Old Republic Wiki. I have not checked this site for his adds yet to see if they may have made their first appearance in that game, though I highly doubt it to be true that they did (though I do know one fan created species does appear in Old Republic). I will begin compiling a list of species he has added that I cannot find on Wookieepedia or Old Republic Wiki, and create a blog about it so it's easier for everyone to access. Keep me and the others posted on thoughts or ideas. -- Somarinoa 15:11, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Dentescify
I have blocked this user for 3 days. Hopefuly this will give us time to clear up the mess why we decide what to do.--Owen1983 19:50, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

its OK
I am glad your back and don't worry because we all take breaks and sometimes there unavoidable. --Owen1983 (talk) 19:24, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

114.77.239.208
Well done for clearing up jos edit and Blocking him. Owen1983 (talk) 18:47, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

my response
you left a message on my talk page, I responded there. . . I wasnt sure if you got my response or not. ralok (talk) 23:13, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

house cleaning
I want to ask, can I get admin rights for a few weeks. . . this wiki needs some major house cleaning and I have the time, drive, and vast amounts of encyclopedic knowledge to do it. ralok (talk) 01:01, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Hypernauts in Galleries
recently I uploaded a good amount of hypernauts content, but the gallery pages function confuses me. . . also the alphabet confuses me, could you maybe add the pictures to the proper galleries? Also I highly recommend hypernauts, can be watched on youtube (I am going to tackle Can of Worms next I think) ralok (talk) 16:17, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Star Wars Species
if the page is only two sentences long, and claims the species is identical to another. . . DELETE IT do not fix the categories. . . just delete it. It is part of a huge vandalism project that DanteSciFi undertook. I have deleted over 200 of these pages, these species do not exist in any way in the star wars universe (having triple checked every single one of the, I can assure you that if the page follows this pattern it is non existent) he also vandalized a few species whose physical description was unavailable, by saying they were identical to some other race. . . so if you see the words "identical" in the first line, or "externally indistinguishable" delete the line, or the entire page. ralok (talk) 15:07, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

I try to help when I can dude :I it is a monumental effort O _ O BUT we did hit a land mark, sapient beings now has less pages in it than sapient species (so sapient species should appear first on the list when adding categories) ralok (talk) 15:32, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Help with infobox template
I know how to add an infbox but I have a lot of trouble adding images to them. Whenever I add it, I link it but it still doesn't show up. Can you fix the pics on the Magus and Yardrat articles that I made? 21:29, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Featured Articles
well, I think it's an interesting idea, but perhaps it could be a separate section, to show editors how to do pages, because I think that featured articles should be monthly and elected by people.--面白い 00:42, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

also I want to delete those tree pages again, the sad truth is that there is controversy over the epona pages. . . and those files, and pages are misnamed concerning the epona thing ralok (talk) 01:07, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I am keeping the "mars and beyond" pages for now. . . just not the epona tree. ralok (talk) 01:36, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Predator Page (Remake)
I have come to the conclusion that the predator page is irreparable, I have started recreating a new page for the Yautja from scratch. And I would like your opinion on it, click here to see it. I had to create a new format for the page to show the sources of non-film information, so that contradictory information doesnt butt-heads. . . if it works out, it is my hope to redo the xenomorph page in a similiar way (for it is also borked). ralok (talk) 23:22, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

speculation
I disagree on speculation. . . I think there is only two kinds of speculation that can, and should, be allowed. . . in-universe speculation (speculation from characters within the universe) and diet-speculation, speculation that is formed purely from observations of the material and facts within it and doesnt add any new fabricated information. ralok (talk) 00:39, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

THAT IS AN ENIGMA
And .. . it has been tooooooooormenting me!!! I am sorry to say that I do not have the answers at this exact moment > _ < But I think " Inhabitants" is best... But I think that the " Wildlife" category is still needed because I would like people to be able to sort wildlife via planet likewise " Vegetation" for plant-like organisms. But I definitly want to get rid of thte " Species" and " races" categories, because typically there is. . . only one sapient species per planet. ralok (talk) 22:01, March 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think "Martians" needs to be replaced with "Mars Inhabitants" for the sake of category consistency. As for micro-organisms . . . I have no idea :I but Fungi go into vegetation because of their superficial resemblance to plants, and the fact that they fit one of the many definitions of vegetation . . . This category thing is more than a bit confusing though > _ > sorry about that :/ but I agree with your star system idea . . . ralok (talk) 22:45, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

at some point. . . I plan on going through every single pageo n the wiki x _ x currently I dont have time with because I have projects outside the wiki that I need to focus on. ralok (talk) 23:08, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
hi BlueFrackle i like to fix things that spells incorrect if you saw something that spells incorrect send message MARIOWORLDXX (talk) 23:01, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

88.253.148.187
I am glad you blocked this hacker and reverted the damage he caused Owen1983 (talk) 01:49, March 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Hacking" he edited a page that anyone could edit, I am not saying the guy wasnt a hacker... or that his skills were in any way lackluster. But if he wanted to prove his skill, he should have targeted something so obvious. But in a way I am glad he did it, because it called attention to an issue . . . we need to get a new featured article up. ralok (talk) 02:54, March 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, the next one who tries this is going to need more hacking skills. I've changed the protection on the Main Page so that only admins can edit it now. And you're right, it's time to get the new FA for April! -- BlueFrackle (talk) 13:28, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hello again, and RFA open.
Hello. It's been a while. How are you?

Also, RFA. ASPF:User Rights#Insurgence RFA. Vote/Comment/Whatnot. I'm going to revamp that User Rights page soon so it isn't so... cluttered. мет еж   19:33, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, would you like me to archive your talk page?  мет еж   Vergina Sun.png 19:33, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, it was you! Well, good job to you then! By the way, I notice there is a mass-adding of the sapient species category to certain pages, so I'll get started on that. And thanks for the support!  мет еж   Vergina Sun.png 23:03, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

no
it is completely useless! Therer is no difference in saying "creature with alternative biology" than saying "alien" the category has no meaning. I refuse to allow the utterly meaningless category, it was deleted once before it is gonna be deleted again. As well I am pretty sure I got the go-ahead to delete it the first time. ralok (talk) 21:37, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

you arent seeing the problem here, you want to have technically incorrect categories. Use your creativity a little and actually come up with more appropriate category names, instead of anthropocentric non-sense that refuses to be correct for the sake of having a category filled with weird creatures. The whole idea behind "alternate forms of life" as a category is stupid for the reason you stated anyways, there are innumerable other possible biochemistries, and each should be listed in its own category. . . after all, to any of these life forms we are the alternate. ralok (talk) 21:48, May 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * sorry that was an accident with the rollback button > _ > ralok (talk) 22:08, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

how about
what do you think about "Indeterminate Biology" instead of "unknown biochemistry" and "Irregular Lifeforms" instead of "Alternative forms of life" I think "Irregular" (or maybe "Nonstandard") feels a lot less anthro-centric, and gets the poitn across better ralok (talk) 22:16, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Irregular" doesn't cover all non-anthrocentric forms of life.  мет еж   Vergina Sun.png 22:21, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you miss the point, anthrocentric means (at least I think it means) human centric . . . "alternative forms of life" would apply to all forms of life different to us, but "irregular lifeforms" applies to a broader sampling of life, basically saying any form of life that deviates significantly from the norm. . . the norm being defined by the majority of species hosted here. i know its a stretch but I think that it fits better with what is wanted to inhabit the category. ralok (talk) 22:25, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * But it doesn't apply to all. It purports that they are just lifeforms that are moderately different from the norm, but are otherwise made up of the same chemistry, or molecules. I hate to keep using memetic life forms as an argument, but there it is.  мет еж   Vergina Sun.png 22:31, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I guess we could use "Abnormal" but that feels insulting . . . "Non-standard" feels a little . . . small. And "strange" just feels adolescent. ralok (talk) 22:33, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

(Undent) I would prefer Non-Standard to Irregular. Let's hear what BlueFrackle has to say. мет еж   23:30, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn’t log in yesterday. The discussion about alternative life forms has kind of spun out of control and I have so much to say on the matter, I decided to write a blog post: User blog:BlueFrackle/Alternative Forms of Life. Just to answer your question: if the choice is between "irregular" and "nonstandard" I too prefer "nonstandard". "Irregular" kind of sounds like they're "wrong" somehow. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 14:43, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

no idea
. . . I have. . . no idea how the new gods work, they have always been my least favorite superman/dc related thing. . . But to my understanding, the new gods in their base form are. . . pretty much human, with other powers manifesting from external or internal factors. I mean take forager for example, he seems to be just a normal. . . dude, as well there seems to be no ability consistancy. They seem to be somewhat like the inhumans, getting their fantastic abilities later. . . but I dont know. ralok (talk) 23:01, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

good job
AWESOME JOB ONE THE CATEGORIES DUDE :D ralok (talk) 23:22, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

question
I am a more content-oriented admin, so I dont know much about the inner workings and policy. Is there a guideline or policy for naming unnamed species? I was thinking about proposing a simple guide. . . a description under three words in length, or a placeholder name given by characters in-universe (as is the case with Bat-dragon) ralok (talk) 04:00, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I think . . . i figured it out
please view the talk page for xenomorphic species, I think I have discovered the proper scientifical terminarium for this. ralok (talk) 19:59, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

explanation
My position is a bit complicated, Graboids have unknown origins. I believe n the sci-fi official site extraterrestrial origins were suggested for teh species, as well as a "deep past evolution" the idea that they might be from unfathomable past. . . The graboids are a grey area on this debate. As for Morlocks and Vacuumorphs, Morlocks evolved in a future distant enough for the earth to be alien, evolving in conditions that are purely hypothetical. And "vacuumorphs" are a species that was genetically engineered to live in space, none had ever set foot on earth. . . as well in the book, there are races of humans that have evolved to alien conditions. Distant future, and Distant past species are allowed on this wiki as they are evolved and adapted to conditions of a world alien to ours. I dont consider the cretaceous period "distant past" but that is debatable. . . I simply do not think the page belongs on this wiki. ralok (talk) 16:29, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

where?
and where should I propose this change? . . . ralok (talk) 17:52, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

I fail to see how I am the vandal. I added meaningful information and had relative proof of my claims. You two just handwaved it and he had a tantrum about the subject matter, you calling me the vandal, when it was you two who removed my additions and contributions to the topic at hand. I am not inciting any form of conflict here, but you two seem well poised to initiate your personal vendettas at whoever doesn't share the same mindedness as you two. He also refuses to talk about it, preffering instead to immidiately delete the subject matter because he "doesn't acknowledge it" Which isn't even a reasonable responce. I tried to add meaningful and informative work, and they continue to spit at me at every turn. I'm not one to say anything about such manners, but this can't be the first time this has happened. I have even contributed information on species unique to Space Station 13 and he has deleted it because he doesn't "aknowledge" it personally. I'm just trying to come to a reasonable conclusion to this, rather than have us all at eachothers neck over something so incredibly trivial. So you two may ban me if you wish, but you're shooting the messenger. Skaedrellianarchiver (talk) 06:58, September 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I am not a social editor, I am here to maintain content first and foremost. You simply refuse to accept your little fan fiction pastiche is anything but perfect. I have explained the reasons for it, a couple times in fact... you wont accept them for whatever reason, there is nothing else I can do. These are "hand waves" these are actual honest to god reasons. ralok (talk) 11:52, September 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * "He also refuses to talk about it" I suppose thats why I am talking about it, and fully and thoroughly explaining the reasoning. Also you are telling everyone they are "shooting the messenger" you are doing the same thing with me dude, I am simply maintaining the rules of the wiki. And this isnt a trivial matter, we are not going to include Space Station 13, its fan fiction... just as we are not going to include every single piece of fanart. ralok (talk) 11:56, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Establishing a Media Policy/Guidelines for Aliens Wiki
Hi BlueFrackle,

My name is Luis and I am a Community Support Manager (ES) and Video Community Lead at Wikia. I had a few questions regarding the Aliens Wiki and was told you were the person to speak to.

As you know Wikia is currently working with communities to create Video Policies/Guidelines to their specific Wikias. As you may already know Wikia currently has been establishing an expansive library of fully licensed Wikia videos covering various forms of entertainment.

Video Swap (LVS) is our newest tool which allows admins to quickly swap videos from outside providers to the same (or very similar) video that exists in our library at Wikia Video. All our videos are fully licensed with no expiration date.

We are always looking to improve on what we can provide to our users and if it was ok with you, we would like to know what we can do to better your experience.

Lastly we want to encourage communities to create a Video Policy/Guidelines that cater to the needs of your Wikia community regarding the uploading of any media for users to reference when visiting your site if you haven't done so already. If so, do you think you could link me to it? I would greatly appreciate it! We will we doing a feature on Wikias with Video Policy/Guidelines in the near future in order for those Wikias that need references to get some help in establishing their own.

Here are a few examples:

Tardis

Skyrim

Thanks again for your time!

P.S. Excellent wikia! I got lost in it for hours!

Mighty No. 9 (talk) 21:41, February 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you enjoyed the wiki, thanks! Well, we currently don't have any policies or guidelines regarding videos, but it would be a nice idea to create one, I'll see what we can do. I shall also give a look at this Wikia video library to see which of our videos could be swapped. Thanks for the information! :) -- BlueFrackle (talk) 01:48, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Nothing really to ask, but if their is anything that I need to know about chats or whatever, please let me know. Thank you and good to be here.

Do you recall?
Hey Frackle, do you remember what this image originates from? I am trying to fix placeholder links since someone just made an article called Sylvia that does not link to this one. -- Somarinoa (talk) 04:33, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hahah, I remember these guys yes, they are from Star Trek, I can't remember the episode's name right now, but it was a Halloween episode written by Robert Blotch. These strange blue things are the true form of the aliens and they are only shown at the end, the rest of the episode they had been masquerading as humans. The only thing I remember about them is that they came from another galaxy and were following the orders of the "Old Ones", I remember that because Blotch was always inserting little nods to the Cthulhu Mythos in his scripts :) -- BlueFrackle (talk) 13:14, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Wait... Kron?
Wait... was I seriously the only actual contributor to that "Kron (Bot 1 Chronicles)" article? I only even noticed it because I went and moved the content to our fanon site just to preserve the info for the writer, and saw only my name listed in the history. I find it strange it isn't my content at all, and while I remember editing the page at one time I have no remembrance of where it would have originated from nor why I would have added it, since the only things that could be considered fanon that I ever added was stuff I had some indirect hand in, such as Sagan 4 or GamingSteve, and very few of those even. I never even added any of my own in there. While I am not exactly debating it being fanon, the idea of me adding it there really confuses and weirds me out. O.o

You don't remember anything about this article in the past at all, do you? I am feeling like I got abducted here. -- Somarinoa (talk) 05:09, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi, BlueFrackle.

I just wanted to say thank you for the Silver Star. It's my hope I can continue adding to the community for the time being, although at the moment I'm running out of things to write about and I'm not very knowledgable on some of the other extraterrestrial tv shows/movies that the wiki talks about.

While I'm here, I was wondering: If we don't do this already, should we do allow pages about organisations that deal with/hunt down extraterrestrials? Some examples would include the MIB (Men in Black), Majestic (Destroy all Humans!), UNIT and Torchwood (Doctor Who), U.S.D.A.S (Tracker), etc.

DeltaSquad5

Thank you for responding
I'll maybe try and put some of these together then. :)

DeltaSquad5 (talk) 22:49, September 7, 2014 (UTC)DeltaSquad5

Monster X?
Hi BlueFrackle,

I was just wondering, what happened to the Monster X page on here? The reason I ask is because I'm 98% sure I saw this image been posted onto the wiki: Monster X

Monster X is an alien daikaiju that appeared in Godzilla Final Wars - Here's the scene where he appears on Earth. I was curious as to if the page had been made and if it had, where has it disappeared too. I was going to recreate it again but if it's been deleted for a reason then I won't.

Like I say, I was just curious as to its whereabouts. Thank you.

DeltaSquad5 (talk) 11:43, September 28, 2014 (UTC)DeltaSquad5

Platinum Badge?
Hi there, BlueFrackle. Hope all is well and the holiday season isn't causing too much stress.

I was wondering, how much is a 'Platinum' badge worth?

The reason I'm asking is because less than a day ago, I managed to get a Gold badge for contributing to the Wiki for 200 days. I've looked at what badges now remain and in place of the 200 day badge, there is now one for the full 365 days. However, it's in a silver coloured box (which I'm guessing is a platinum badge). I was simply wondering its worth as it's not stated.

I've certainly enjoyed my time here so far, and I hope my contributions have been okay.

Have a nice day. :)

DeltaSquad5 (talk) 18:37, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Admin role...
Hi BlueFrackle,

Firstly, apologies for not replying immediatley. Been tied down with a lot of stuff and I kept forgetting to get back in touch.

Second, thank you for explaining the Platinum Badge to me. It's a big challenge, but I'm going to have a crack at getting it. :D

Third, while I'm honoured at been offered the role of been an Admin, I'm afraid I'd have to turn the offer down. I'm often too busy with 'real' life pulling me in one direction or another to get much time here on ASW - so any time I do get is either creating new articles I can add to later or adding to articles me or someone else has started.

Personally, I can't believe I've made as many edits as I have. It certainly doesn't feel that way. in any case, I'll definitely be making plenty more in 2015. Happy Holidays. :)

DeltaSquad5 (talk) 20:24, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

this creature is flying everywhere around earth to share love and teach humans love and light alot humans saw him not only me you can do a reserch about him and if you find something let me know i wanna add more details of him im new here in this site i just created this page of him to let the other people know the truth about jesus and alot more good aliens can you teach me how to edit this page like in a colum or box

Talk page deletion
You've deleted the talk page of the Jigglypuff. That was for the research of the pokemon variant on other media.Muzzarino 22:37, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Hello
Nice Wikia! Beyonder (talk) 07:09, May 16, 2015 (UTC)BeyonderGodOmnipotent

Thank you for response. Will do my beest to maintain high kevek of integrity and respect. Peter Lionel (talk) 15:02, June 19, 2015 (UTC)Kefka June, 19th 2015 UTC.

Hi Blue and thanks for the note. Currently its a work in progress as the whole wiki thing is very new to me. I apologize for "throwing" the image in just to fill until I can get my hands on the original. Will get the image off today and effort to replace it with the right one - if I can find it :). Cheers. Evildweeb (talk) 15:02, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

elder scrolls wiki and images.
Hello, I hope to catch you in a happy time. I am from the Elder scrolls wiki, and I am hoping we can be of help to you.

A few years ago, I saw you guys where using a UESP image on the Dreugh article. They have a tendency to be rather upset over use of their property, and I am more then a little surprised they never came after you all, a happy surprise I would like to point out. Anyway, since then I have become admin as the Elder scrolls wiki, and I am hoping to help out not only our wiki, but other wikis that share information relating to our universe. We had a meeting today, and have agreed that, should you want to, you guys can use our images via hosting. If I remember it right. With a mild change to the link, you can use images from other wikis, and we want to let you know that this is open to you, and I will be willing to help if you wish it.

I must also admit I am hoping we can find other ways to work together. We all edit Wikia because we love it, yet we never really help each other the way we could. By helping your wiki, our wiki could stand to benefit as well, so I am hoping we could talk about that some if you are all open to that idea.

As I said, I come with the intent to help, and the Elder scrolls wiki stands behind me on this. I hope all is well. Good luck, and happy editing.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 03:21, July 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you happen to know what this image coding would be, by chance? -- Somarinoa (talk) 03:25, July 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * I do know the coding, but it turns out everybody I spoke to was mistaken, and as a result my claim is wrong. Only central can do this, and I was at the understanding that others could.  To be fair, my friends and those I spoke to at central thought the same thing, so after this I get to tell them about this as well.  If we wanted to to mass uploads we could ask for a connection between our image collections so we could do this hosting thing.  However, as much as this would help, you don't need that many images from us (technically you already have image :P).  So I am sorry I mislead you on this.
 * Despite this setback, The wiki still wants to help, should you guys wish it. I believe both wikis would benefit working together.  If you want, our images are still free for your use, all we would ask for is to be noticed as a source of the images.


 * If I am going to be open, this is a part of a larger plan. I believe wikis should be working together, everybody involved wins when we make sure our content is as complete as possible.   My main plan is to get wikis to assist wikis like this one (that have information primarily found on other wikis) and have them help create brief articles of the subject.  If people want to read more, there would be a link or template the leads to the larger wiki.  I am hoping we can work out a partnership so that we can all better serve our visitors.  This of course relies on if you feel we can help you and that the benefits are fair.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 18:33, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Plagiarized Content
Hello BlueFrackle,

I'm an administrator of the UESP Wiki, and have been informed of a number of articles and images on this site that were taken from mine. As I was creating this list, it became quite obvious almost all of this can be attributed to Linkmadara. Here's a list of images:





































































































This isn't meant to be an exhaustive list, just the ones I could find after a single look. I also didn't include a lot of images that were clearly taken from our site, but were directly taken from the series itself by us. Now for examples of article content that was stolen:

Our Alit Article

Yours

Our Altmer Article this one has been edited so it is not as obvious, but there are still entire sentences which match our own description

Yours

Our Argonian Article again, the theft is more subtle, but I can clearly find where these articles match

Yours

Our Ayleid Article again, some of it has been slightly altered or rearranged, simply searching for some phrases on both articles will make the theft clear, though.

Yours

Our Bosmer Article

Yours

Our Breton Article

Yours

Our Chaurus Article

Yours

Our Cliff Racer Article

Yours

Our Dunmer Article

Yours

Our Falmer Article

Our Frostbite Spider Article

Yours

Our Guar Article it's actually a rather bare-bones section for us, but of course, it was stolen as well.

Yours

Our Horker Article

Yours

Our Imga Article

Yours

Our Ka Po' Tun Article

Yours

Our Kagouti Article again, just a short blurb, but taken anyway.

Yours

Our Khajiit Article

Yours

Our Kothringi Article

Yours

Our Maormer Article

Yours

Our Men Article

Yours

Our Nirn Article

Yours

Our Article on Nix-Hounds

Yours

Our Nord Article

Yours

Our Orc Article

Yours

Our Redguard Article

Yours

Our Shalk Article

Yours

Our Skeever Article

Yours

Our Sload Article

Yours

Our Tsaesci Article

Yours

Our Wamasu Article

Yours

Again, I may have missed a few. To remedy this, you can either have said content removed, or you can comply with our policy on using content from our site, see here. --Alpha Kenny Buddy (talk) 19:10, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * To help you comply with the license claim, add Template:UESPContent to the bottom of said pages. The template can be removed again if you decide to completely alter the page. — Flightmare (talk) 20:35, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Another option would be to cut them loose. A wiki has the ability to write its own content, and we would be happy to assist you.  Also, despite their timing, I want to assure you guys that we had nothing to do with them coming here.  Whoever told them about the content did not come from us.  I will be hanging in your chat if one of you want to talk.  Happy editing.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 21:53, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Images
Ok, so I am still working on the Elder scroll articles. My only hold back is images. Do you guys want your own images or do you want to use our? We have a few editors who said they can get images, and while we are willing to share, unique images always gives a better presentation then images that can be found elsewhere.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 02:33, July 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I have no idea what their problem is. Our wiki and UESP has had problems in the past, so we just avoid using their content. It got really bad a few years ago, despite the fact the images are under free use. You are 100% right that, legally speaking, that UESP cant do much besides yell and complain, You could put a template on the image that says "this image came from UESP" and that is all you have to do. I don't even think you need to put it on the article. However, UESP feels their content should not be used unless everybody knows its from them.


 * I know you are not trying to start a fight, you had two wikis show up at the same time with one leaving you a list of articles they want to add their name to. That is why I am leaving images alone for now and rewriting the plagiarism. Like I said, you can use our, and all we really need is it to say Elder scrolls wiki in the images summery, no need to put a template on your articles or blast our names everywhere. We have no issue sharing at all, that is why I decided to come and help, because I believe wiki's should work together. We are also more then happy to get some screenshot for you guys that would be all your own. Again, these would be your images, and we have no trouble doing this.


 * I am sorry for any confusion our arrival has started, I was hoping to just help before UESP came in and added unnecessary drama to the mix.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 03:06, July 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I will be more then happy to help with the images, It shouldn't take me two long, some of these images are images released by Bethesda, so its impossible to say it came from one sight or the other unless the original uploader specified.  The Skeever image is our, but its warped.  I will replace the UESP content and you can do what you want with them  I will try to stay out of your hair, you have the rest of your wiki to handle.  I dont see me having any problems from here so you dont have to worry about a thing.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 03:32, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Content Question
An addendum of sorts to what CCC has added, I think. Is what I did with the Imga article acceptable standards-wise? It's literally a copy-paste of our article ( here) If its a matter of plagiarism, CCC and I really do not mind if you copied our articles :) Heck, link-wise, it probably works out a heck of a lot better, anyway, as the "w:c:elderscrolls" link allows interwiki links to be made quite easily, and anything can be linked, as long as there's a page at the other end :) If you're okay with that, we can work together and remove any and all UESP content, and replace it with our own. No issues there whatsoever. Like CCC said - as long as it said the original source of the images in the summary, that is all that's really needed (And even then, its not STRICTLY required - we don't own the images, at the end of the day, Bethesda do, after all) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 05:15, July 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not the only editor on those articles - and they aren't in any sense "my" articles. (I mean, that's pretty much THE idea behind wiki's isn't it? :D) But a lot of those articles are ones that I either created in the first place, or that I have helped shape in some form or other. But as to the template - that's probably not a bad idea. CCC's Idea is a sound one - to get different wikia's working together for the common good. I am sorry to hear about the trolls at your original wiki, though. Unfortunately - it does happen :s Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 05:33, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Weird edits
Hey, Thought you may want to take a look at this guy. He marked a few articles that they had been featured on the front page. I am unsure if this is true or not, but I tend to watch anons carefully.

Also, All UESP images are off articles. Next time I have a moment I will mark then to be deleted, for you guys to handle as you see fit. All that we have left is the larger Elder scroll articles. Once those are rewritten or gutted all your articles will be plagiarism free.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 05:07, July 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, if redlink are a problem, we can always hunt the links down and simply remove the links, or replace images in galleries. Relinks are a problem, people always assume the worst when you have them.  Most editors would understand it better, but redlink to some represent incomplete content.  I can add that to the list of things to look at once the articles are handled.  Truth be told, I prefer clean up based jobs to editing at times.  And I am happy to help with the articles.  Ever since I became admin on elder scrolls my editing has been replaced with overseeing the projects we have started up, so this allows me to return to editing and building content.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 05:50, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Shout out
Hey, Just wanted to let you know that the Elder scrolls wiki mentioned this wiki in their weekly update here and that they even gave a shout out on Facebook. I think you guys should look into a FB, if you guys have one or get one let us know so our FB can point it out.

Thought you might enjoy that, My work slowed down on the articles, but we are well over half way done.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 02:08, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Final article
We are finishing the final UESP article now, due to its size I just gutted everything, and have some editors building it in small parts. But you are plagiarism free when it comes to Elder scrolls.

I am hoping we can talk about setting up a system to get other wikis to help make sure the articles are at a good standard. I have an idea I want to run by you, If you are ok with, I will let wikis know about the terms before they come here, should they agree to help.

External links would help connect this wiki and those helping. There are three ways to do this, either having a simple "external link" section of an article that leads to the wiki, adding a external link to a template like the one on the Xenomorph article, or adding a template to the categories, saying that these articles all connect to "X universe" and more information can be found thanks to our friends at "X wiki".

This is your wiki, so what ever deals/agreements you are willing to work with, if any, are up to you. But I am wanting to send people here, and it help if I tell them beforehand what can and cant be done.

I will stick around awhile, I noticed that you have a infobox you are trying to put into use, so I will help with that and categories for awhile. Thanks for letting mt Wiki help your's and for dealing with me messaging you as much as as I have about this inter wiki project of mine.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 02:10, July 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * No need to be sorry about the long response, I put something on you and you wanted to make the case clear. I have no objections to your reasoning or logic what so ever. That being said, the project is meant to help wiki's should they wish it, so should you need anything, you have but to ask.  I will try to help this wiki in any way I can on a personal level, and leave the outsourcing out of this.  Thank you for the swift, clear, and civil reply on the matter.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 03:27, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Blank Articles
Hey, I noticed that there are a few articles with a template saying they are empty. I was thinking this wiki should adopt a policy the Heroes wiki has. They get a lot of new articles, and if a article is added with no content, they give it some time, then delete it. We could always seek out editors who can help, but I would recommend either getting these articles expanded, or we remove them.

Hope all is well, happy editing.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 05:09, July 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Of course, I will see if any of the editors are still around and are willing to finish their work, or at least add something others can build on.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:14, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

flat cats and chair dogs
That is cool you made the Flat Cat article. Kinda curious where the image is from because I remember reading the Rolling Stones and I don't think there was one on the cover.

Do you happen to know if any fan art exists of w:c:Dune:chair dog ? I made a page about them on Dune but it's very stubby and I don't know if enough fans exist of Whipping Star or Hunters or Dune to have generated art for it.

I think it would be cool to have a page here, except I don't know if they would qualify as aliens are not.

They are bio-engineered dogs, what do you think? talk2ty 05:16, August 29, 2015 (UTC)