User talk:Cheatcodechamp

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the User:Cheatcodechamp page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Owen1983 (Talk) 19:39, December 10, 2012

Dreugh
We don't have an image for this article yet but I have removed the current image and i will make sure this never happens again and thanks for the imput on mu page .Owen1983 (talk) 21:01, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

My talk page
I have noted your concerns and archived the earler posts its mor manageable know Thanks. --Owen1983 (talk) 21:39, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Images
You seem to be really nice and I sure don't wish to argue, but I have to admit, I don't completely understand what's the issue here. When it comes to text and information, those things can be original to the wiki and subject to plagiarism and such, but images... How is it possible for a wiki to claim ownership of a picture taken from a video game, presumably, by means of taking a screenshot?

I mean, the images on these articles do come from the Elder Scroll games, I presume? If so, they are subject to intellectual property laws and the only reason our wikis are allowed to display them is that it's considered fair use. Even if you tell me that you personally took the screenshots, the image still doesn't belong to you. There are many images here on ASW that I "produced" myself. I took screenshots of Land of the Lost episodes to illustrate the articles related to that series. The images of Valérian and Laureline aliens come from my Valérian and Laureline comics, etc. They still don't belong to me, they belong to the copyright owners and I use them on ASW because it qualifies as fair use according to the law. I wouldn't see any reason to complain if another wiki used these same images - even if I was bothered by it, which I wouldn't be.

Like I said, I don't mean to argue. It may seem like I'm starting an argument, but I'm not, really, I'm just genuinely confused. I don't understand how it can be an issue, that both our wikis are using the same images, regardless of who used first. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 02:54, July 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Alright then. I understand you had nothing to do with all this fuss. If the UESP folks don't like their images being used elsewhere, I suppose it coasts almost nothing for us to comply, regardless of how pointless their attitude is towards this. If your wiki has images illustrating this same content and you're willing to upload them here (marked with a template giving you guys credit for them), I'll be more than thankful. Or, if you send me the link, I can upload them myself tomorrow and save you the trouble :) -- BlueFrackle (talk) 03:26, July 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey, no problem, there's no need to try to stay out of my hair, lol. Taking care of the wiki is a pleasure, not a burden, and I want us to be friends. Thanks again for all the help you've been providing XD -- BlueFrackle (talk) 03:42, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

G'day
Just letting you know - I fixed up the Imga page - The non-wikia page (UESP) cannot claim that it's plagiarised from them, now. It's a word for word transcript from the Elder Scrolls Wiki's page, with links to that wiki where relevant. Leaving a message just to let you know that I've done so. (Also, FYI - that jpg image of the Imga? That's from OUR wiki. They copied ours 6 months later. (And did you see us complain about it? Lol) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 05:06, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Weird Edits
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. These edits were wrong indeed and I have reverted them. The anon probably didn't know what "Featured Articles" meant. And I can't blame him/her actually, as we don't even do this monthly "Featured Articles" thing anymore. The current one has been in our Main Page for ages. The guy who used to be most concerned with this has pretty much left the wiki and only shows up occasionally now.

As for the Elder Scrolls content, again, I can't thank you enough for all the work you're doing, providing us with new images and rewriting entire pages from scratch! And I'll be sure to delete the UESP images after it's finished. The only thing that bothers me a little is that deleting them will result in a whole lot of red links in my talk page, and I really hate red links, lol. But I suppose it can't be helped. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 05:29, July 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * I was referring to redlinks in my user talk page. The only way to get rid of them would be to delete or edit Alpha Kenny's message to me where he lists the images he wants us to get rid of, and obviously, I'm not going to do that! Anyway, I already deleted the plagiarized images and replaced them with yours in the Alien Species Gallery :D -- BlueFrackle (talk) 19:19, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Final article
Good to know about the final article Cheat, thanks! XD

As for connecting with other wikis, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I appreciate and am extremely thankful for the work you've done for us. But at the same time, I'm not sure if want to call other wikis to ask them if they can make or expand articles for us. Doing it occasionally like happened here is a friendship. But doing it in large scale seems like outsourcing.

You must understand, for many years ASW has been pretty much a repository for articles that could be found on other wikis. Ever since me and other editors came here we've been trying to change it and make it more independant. We've rewritten some articles, like you just did for us, which is great, but there's still a lot more to be done. We want to cultivate a community and be able to create and take care of our own articles, rather than rely on asking other people to make them for us all the time. And in many cases, we've been managing it. We're still far away from that goal, but I like to think that for every two or three articles that are basically brought over from somewhere else (with ot without consent), we also got some that are really "ours".

Cheela, Black Cloud, Tosok, Glorft, Mesklinite, Levanian, etc. are all examples of articles that you'll find only here on this wiki. Or at least that was the case when I wrote them, it's possible other wikis have formed since. But we created them by ourselves. And I'm sure, for example, that the Doctor Who wiki contains information on species like, say, Sensorites and Sou(ou)shi, but even so, I've written articles for them here, independently. And that's something for ASW to be proud too, when it manages to grow independently.

Again, that's not to say I'm not glad and thankful for the fact you folks came to help us. I just don't think this should be ASW's modus operandi.

Sorry about this rather long message, lol, but on a final note, I'd just like to clarify that you, Cheat, are more than welcome to stay here. I consider you a member of ASW community and I want you to stay as long as you wish, helping us with the infoboxes, categories, articles in general or whatever you feel like doing. Create new pages about things and aliens you enjoy if you feel like it. This is your wiki too - as much as any other contributor's - and I don't want you to feel like a stranger who's helping us, I want you to feel at home :D -- BlueFrackle (talk) 02:59, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Blank Articles
Well, blank articles are a real nuisance. When a new one is created (and it's about a subject that I have no familiarity with, so I can't expand it), I'm often tempted to delete them. But it has been decided some time ago that we should use that template instead. The reasoning was that if a contributor is willing to create an article, but sees that said article has been previously deleted, they might feel discouraged. What I do recommend is to warn editors who add blank articles that it's counter-productive and ask them not to do it again. If an editor ignores this warning more than once, I'm even in favor of blocking them for a few months as punishment, because, as I said, blank articles are extremely undesirable. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 21:42, July 26, 2015 (UTC)