Thread:BlueFrackle/@comment-32730094-20200728170003/@comment-1197011-20200730180649

King Kravoka wrote: The precedent for deleting pages like these was set when BlueFrackle fusslessly approved of my request to remove the pages for Elder Scrolls human and elf subraces, who all of your technicalities are equally applicable to.

Fair enough. Perhaps we did get caught on the technicalities.

I still think removing those Elder Scrolls pages was sensible because we simply can't allow every kind of non-alien (or, to use the more correct term, non-extraterrestrials) here. If we did, what would be the point of having NACW at all?

On the other hand, removing all species that aren't actually extraterrestrial in nature is pretty extreme and attempts to do so have been met with fierce opposition in the past, including by former admins who have made good arguments for the continuing inclusion of some (not all) non-ETs.

The discussion then leads to what kinds of non-ETs are acceptable. This has been discussed multiple times in the past (Talk:Eloi, Talk:Graboid, Talk:Mothra, etc.) and while we've never reached a consensus, I'll list down some of the principles that appear to be generally accepted.


 * 1) Extradimensional creatures qualify for both ASW and NACW. This stems from the fact that different people have different opinions on whether they should be considered alien or non-alien.
 * 2) Creatures that evolved on Earth but in an environment completely distinct from modern Earth are acceptable on both wikis as well, on the grounds of being alien to us. This principle was proposed by a formerly-active admin (User:Ralok) and applies to creatures from the distant past (e.g. Graboids) as well as the distant future (e.g. Eloi and Morlocks).
 * 3) Earth creatures that have been directly involved in extraterrestrial affairs, such as Godzilla, are also acceptable here.

Now, going by these three principles alone, we've been indeed discussing trivialities. The question of whether the Zombies from Minecraft are generic or not is irrelevant. What we should be discussing is whether or not the Minecraft Overworld qualifies as another dimension (it's much larger than Earth and operates on different physics, but is this a valid distinction or just a matter of gameplay?).

I'll end this ridiculously-long reply by reminding you that these principles are not set in stone, and if either of you would like to propose another criterion for defining what is and what isn't acceptable here, I'd very much like to hear it.